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August 24, 2008
When 480p Is Not Enough
There's some interesting discussion going on around the Internet (first time for everything, right?) about how some of this generation's video games are leaving players with "only" a non-HDTV in the dust when it comes to being able to pick out the little details and tiny text. MTV's Stephen Totilo spoke out about working in the game journalism industry armed with only a SDTV, while my Kombo cohort David Oxford picked up the ball and ran with it with his own tale of being trapped with 480i in a 1080p world. Stephen says:
But my standard TV set is beginning to fail me. I’ve found its weakness. What it can’t display very well, I’ve learned, are the best-looking high-definition 2D games, particularly some of the work on the PlayStation 3’s downloadable service. The lower-color-contrast boards of PixelJunk Eden look blurry on my TV. The edges of the plants I need to leap my character to display with a fuzziness that impacts my ability to accurately jump. Last night, I discovered that the aerial maps used for levels in The Last Guy, a game I had no problem playing a couple of weeks ago on a high-def set, appear hazy on my TV. I had trouble spotting my character and the tiny people I needed to collect while playing in standard resolution.
While David declares:
Of course, in my case, the failing of SDTV in 2D games became most apparent when I tried to play Bionic Commando Rearmed, with ledges that were difficult to distinguish from the background, spikes that didn't look very spikey from afar, and the too-small text. Just out of curiosity, how many of you have made the jump to HDTV? Who still plays on SD? What was the impetus for your switch? Was it games? Movies? Both? Or just being on the cutting edge?
I must be doing things backwards because I jumped up to HDTV before getting a game console that can output a high-def signal. My most advanced console is a simple Nintendo Wii that cranks out a mere 480p signal. I've been wowed by how fantastic games such as Super Mario Galaxy look in glorious widescreen. I've even stepped back into my GameCube archive to see how nice those older games look with a little modern video horsepower pumping through them. Playing Super Mario Sunshine, Star Fox: Assault, and even the problematic Shadow the Hedgehog are actually much more fun when I can see more of the field of play. Lots of the GameCube stuff even kicks out a widescreen signal, too. Amazing! It takes little to impress me, I guess. I'm looking forward to real high-def gaming, of course, but for now I'm satisfied.
So what HD things am I doing with that HDTV if not video gaming? High-def cable channels. I've come to the realization that I'll watch just about anything if it's broadcast with vivid colors. The good stuff is even more enticing. Lost looks spectacular with more pixels on display, as do Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles and the brightly-hued Pushing Daisies. I'm also becoming a high-def snob with HBO. My cable provider doesn't offer Cinemax HD yet (shameful!), and I've found that I'll wait for a movie I want to see that's on Cinemax to turn up on HBO HD a month or three later just to see it in widescreen with those dynamic visuals. I'm even DVRing some of my favorite films that I already own on regular DVDs when they turn up on a HD channel. Does the HBO HD version of Mystery Science Theater 3000: The Movie really look all that better than the standard DVD version? Probably not so much, but I'm not letting go of the HD version either way. I also have a terrible feeling that I'll turn into a Blu-ray fan once I get a Sony PlayStation 3, forsaking future plain DVD purchases in favor of high-def counterparts.
Anyone out there still on the fence about moving up to HDTV should remember that HD content will change the way that you consume media, mostly because you'll find yourself consuming a lot more of it and paying more for the privilege. Is it worth the expense? Big shiny colors say yes!
Posted by MattG on August 24, 2008 at 09:19 PM in General | Permalink
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I've had a similar problem, but in reverse.
I got a HDTV a couple years back, and it wasn't exactly state of the art, even back then. It's hugely thick, "only" goes up to 1080i, and apparently has a slightly different aspect ratio than every other HDTV.
What that boils down to is that when I play games that have HUD information crammed into the corners, it gets cut off. For instance, in Condemned 2, I couldn't see the properties for the weapons that it shows when you go to pick up a new one. Yeah, that sucked.
Oh, and the panorama mode that squishes the picture to exactly fit your screen doesn't work when I'm gaming. >_<
I'd like to say that things are more standardized now, but every time someone thinks that some new technology comes out that puts a wrench in the works. *sigh* Oh well. At least I can read the text.
...if it isn't on the edges of the screen, that is.
Posted by: Frankie Leet | Aug 25, 2008 6:46:30 AM
Sounds like you have a HDTV Projection or DLP set. My father bought a HD DLP Projection set and it does the same thing when his PC is connected up. Actually it does it on all inputs, including cable TV. You just don't notice the image being cut off as much as you would having crucial information on the outer rim of the screen.
Posted by: Player911 | Aug 25, 2008 9:48:29 AM
i have a problem...well a question
Im planning to get an hdtv just for ps3. I dont want a big one as i do not have cash. My limits are 32inches as i am very limited in terms of cash. The big question is if i got for a 32 inch, should i bother with 1080p? or should i go for 720p or 1080i? Its a big price jump as well.
What do you all have to say about this? I need you help
Posted by: CrazyClown | Aug 25, 2008 1:42:10 PM
CrazyClown, as someone with a 32" HDTV let me say that although my TV tops out at 720p, I can't say that I feel deprived by not being able to watch cable TV in 1080p/i. 720p on a 32" screen looks fantastic. I went around and around on the issue when I chose a HDTV and I can't say that I've ever regretted it.
Posted by: MattG | Aug 25, 2008 1:55:08 PM
i just plan on playing my ps3 and streaming pc music and vids. Apart from 1080p blu-ray i have 1080p screens...so at www.futureshop.ca which televisions would be of best fit for like likes and price capabilities. Thanks for helping
Posted by: | Aug 25, 2008 2:09:48 PM
that was my post can you help me check at futureshop.ca for 32inch tvs that fit a price range but good display capabilities
Posted by: CrazyClown | Aug 25, 2008 2:33:57 PM
After looking at Futureshop's website I'd probably go with the Panasonic, Toshiba, or Samsung (which are brands I looked at originally, too). Those are in the $650-$800 range. I chose a Westinghouse 32" LCD last year, although that's not offered at Futureshop. Whichever you choose, make sure there's plenty of inputs (HDMI for sure for the PS3).
Posted by: MattG | Aug 25, 2008 3:06:30 PM
Im not so good with the specs, haha but ill check it out thanks
Posted by: CrazyClown | Aug 25, 2008 3:11:51 PM
Wow, amazed at the number of comments here in so short a time... why can't you guys come over to Kombo? ;P
Seriously, though, HDTV is something I'd love to have, but remains out of my price range; I'm still paying off the SDTV that I got a few years back. But ever since WWE went HD, I have been more than a little curious.
And seeing Super Mario Galaxy on an HDTV at Video Games Live just made one of my favorite games look even better.
But $650-$800? Way out of my range right now.
Oh, by the way, I heard back from Ben Judd about my grievances-- I'll be sure to post that on Kombo later.
--LBD "Nytetrayn"
Posted by: David Oxford | Aug 25, 2008 3:15:36 PM
I can't imagine experiencing Super Mario Galaxy on my old 4:3 19" SDTV. Even at 480p, that game is a graphical wonder.
It's a colossal waste of modern home entertainment technology, but let me also say that you've never really played Mega Man 2 until you play it on a NES hooked to a really large screen and a proper 5.1 surround sound system to blast the chiptunes all around the room. My god, it's beautiful!
Posted by: MattG | Aug 25, 2008 3:27:55 PM
!!!Player911!!!
Panasonic TX-32LXD700 wos on my "must have list" list, HDReady 1366x768, but HDMIs accept 1080p signals too!
But the price wos around 1500 EUR last year.Now U can buy it for 600EUR.
100Hz
1080p Output: 1
1080p/24 Output: 1
720p/1080i Output: 1
Best reviews from all audio/video sites
http://www.techradar.com/products/audio-visual/tvs-and-accessories/tvs/tx-32lxd700-121080/review
I end up with Samsung LE32R86 (yeah money issues) TV is realy great, but I spend a lot of time adjusting the perfect picture.
500EUR.
http://whathifi.com/Review/Samsung-LE32R87BD/
My friend has Samsung LE32A656 FHD1080p,120Hz. And is great that you can turn off motion plus, because movies realy look like
they where shoot with home cameras,unatural too fluid. So turn motion plus ON only for gaming!Fantastic natural colors!
Price:1000 EUR
My next one (next week :-P) is def. gonna be Samsung LE40A656
Posted by: Tony Red_Grave | Aug 25, 2008 4:17:29 PM
im what you would like to call a geek when it comes to HD. so heres a little sugestion or better yet question you need to ask your self before buying the cheap HDTV on special. first is how far are you going to watch you new HDTV? if you live in an appartment chances are you are going to be prety close to your new tv. then you would most likely want to go 1080p but if your watching it from across the giant living room then maibe a 720p will be more to your liking. next is size, those tv might be nice and flat bit the screen isnt. i know a friend that had the money to buy a realy big hd tv but when he came to put it in his appartment... there was no way to fit it in the corner of his living room.
the point is depending on the situation and the location of where your putting your hdtv you might not need to go 1080p ever. another factor in price is how many hdmi port you have on your tv. you might just need 1 to plug in your ps3 and might never need anothing else, but someone else might want 3 or 4 because he plugs his surround sound device and his computer and his HD cable or HD satelite to his tv all at once. and then theres the whole plasma versus LCD war. LCD might be better for gaming and sports while plasma will be better for movies and pictures. the difference between the 2 is one is digital like a computer lcd monitor and the other are gases. now if something in the image is at the same spot on a plasma tv for too long they will burn the image onto the screen of your plasma but you can get better colors while lcd is more safe but has a shorter life span then plasma (about a year or so less then plasma depending on the usage)
the point is there isnt realy a right or wrong is how you use your tv to fit your best needs you expect out of it.
Posted by: Firetaw | Aug 25, 2008 8:05:58 PM
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